Alle 30 Sekunden sehr hohe Ping

[pipi]

Hallo,
seit einiger Zeit geht meine Ping alle 30 Sekunden auf ~ 1000 hoch egal mit welchem Server und egal mit welchem PC im Netzwerk ich es versuche. Wenn ich aber PCs im Netzwerk anpinge bleibt die Latenz konstant.
Hier ein kleines Beispiel (hoffe, es macht das Problem deutlich):

Spoiler

$ ping www.google.com
PING www.google.com (173.194.69.103): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=22.550 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=22.292 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=22.220 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=22.400 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=22.528 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=22.490 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=6 ttl=50 time=21.612 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=7 ttl=50 time=21.799 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=8 ttl=50 time=22.433 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=9 ttl=50 time=21.617 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=10 ttl=50 time=21.322 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=11 ttl=50 time=21.246 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=12 ttl=50 time=21.619 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=13 ttl=50 time=22.314 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=14 ttl=50 time=22.203 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=15 ttl=50 time=22.478 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=16 ttl=50 time=22.324 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=17 ttl=50 time=21.496 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=18 ttl=50 time=21.367 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=19 ttl=50 time=21.643 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=20 ttl=50 time=22.315 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=21 ttl=50 time=22.305 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=22 ttl=50 time=21.263 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=23 ttl=50 time=22.413 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=24 ttl=50 time=21.367 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=25 ttl=50 time=22.704 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=26 ttl=50 time=21.780 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=27 ttl=50 time=908.242 ms <--- 1. 30 Sekunden
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=28 ttl=50 time=21.632 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=29 ttl=50 time=22.261 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=30 ttl=50 time=21.662 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=31 ttl=50 time=22.419 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=32 ttl=50 time=22.368 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=33 ttl=50 time=21.614 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=34 ttl=50 time=21.579 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=35 ttl=50 time=21.608 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=36 ttl=50 time=22.290 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=37 ttl=50 time=21.704 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=38 ttl=50 time=22.605 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=39 ttl=50 time=22.471 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=40 ttl=50 time=21.262 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=41 ttl=50 time=22.247 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=42 ttl=50 time=21.701 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=43 ttl=50 time=22.390 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=44 ttl=50 time=21.814 ms <--- Dieser Timeout passt nicht in das Schema
Request timeout for icmp_seq 45
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=45 ttl=50 time=1065.051 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=46 ttl=50 time=85.912 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=47 ttl=50 time=21.387 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=48 ttl=50 time=22.349 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=49 ttl=50 time=22.484 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=50 ttl=50 time=22.415 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=51 ttl=50 time=22.354 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=52 ttl=50 time=22.252 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=53 ttl=50 time=22.233 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=54 ttl=50 time=22.389 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=55 ttl=50 time=22.415 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=56 ttl=50 time=21.748 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=57 ttl=50 time=21.905 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=58 ttl=50 time=21.383 ms <--- 2. 30 Sekunden
Request timeout for icmp_seq 60
Request timeout for icmp_seq 61
Request timeout for icmp_seq 62
Request timeout for icmp_seq 63
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=64 ttl=50 time=267.452 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=65 ttl=50 time=21.111 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=66 ttl=50 time=22.656 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=67 ttl=50 time=21.478 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=68 ttl=50 time=21.877 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=69 ttl=50 time=21.856 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=70 ttl=50 time=21.634 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=71 ttl=50 time=21.086 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=72 ttl=50 time=21.305 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=73 ttl=50 time=22.467 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=74 ttl=50 time=21.655 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=75 ttl=50 time=21.864 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=76 ttl=50 time=22.300 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=77 ttl=50 time=21.439 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=78 ttl=50 time=21.356 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=79 ttl=50 time=22.270 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=80 ttl=50 time=21.689 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=81 ttl=50 time=21.845 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=82 ttl=50 time=22.496 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=83 ttl=50 time=22.236 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=84 ttl=50 time=21.492 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=85 ttl=50 time=22.129 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=86 ttl=50 time=21.566 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=87 ttl=50 time=22.669 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=88 ttl=50 time=21.696 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=89 ttl=50 time=22.352 ms <--- 3. 30 Sekunden
Request timeout for icmp_seq 90
Request timeout for icmp_seq 91
Request timeout for icmp_seq 92
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=93 ttl=50 time=284.913 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=94 ttl=50 time=22.263 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=95 ttl=50 time=21.535 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=96 ttl=50 time=22.393 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=97 ttl=50 time=22.347 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=98 ttl=50 time=22.062 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=99 ttl=50 time=22.466 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=100 ttl=50 time=21.678 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=101 ttl=50 time=21.411 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=102 ttl=50 time=21.351 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=103 ttl=50 time=21.401 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=104 ttl=50 time=21.563 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=105 ttl=50 time=22.455 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=106 ttl=50 time=22.112 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=107 ttl=50 time=22.380 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=108 ttl=50 time=22.496 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=109 ttl=50 time=22.235 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=110 ttl=50 time=22.161 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=111 ttl=50 time=22.801 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=112 ttl=50 time=21.609 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=113 ttl=50 time=21.532 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=114 ttl=50 time=21.519 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=115 ttl=50 time=22.553 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=116 ttl=50 time=21.338 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=117 ttl=50 time=21.547 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=118 ttl=50 time=21.822 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=119 ttl=50 time=21.756 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=120 ttl=50 time=22.646 ms <--- 4. 30 Sekunden
Request timeout for icmp_seq 121
Request timeout for icmp_seq 122
Request timeout for icmp_seq 123
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=123 ttl=50 time=1049.479 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=124 ttl=50 time=49.580 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=125 ttl=50 time=21.631 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.69.103: icmp_seq=126 ttl=50 time=21.595 ms
^C
--- www.google.com ping statistics ---
127 packets transmitted, 117 packets received, 7.9% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 21.086/52.366/1065.051/158.935 ms

Router neustarten hab ich schon probiert - erfolglos.

Vielen Dank für eure Hilfe!

 

[ChavezD]

Passiert das selbe wenn du den Router anpingst? ZB. 192.168.1.1, 192.168.2.1, 192.168.178.1 oder wie auch immer?

Welchen Router hast du?
Und ist der Router auch gleich das modem? Gab gestern einen thread hier zur fritzbox 7390 wo das minderwertige modem für solche Späße bekannt ist..

Edit: Hier war es

 

[Maxell]

Die Fritzboxen sind allgemein manchmal echt gewöhnungsbedürftig. Hatte schon so oft mysteriöse Probleme mit denen.

 

[pipi]

Ich hab tatsächlich die Fritzbox 7390.
Hier die Ergebnisse, wenn ich den Router anpinge:
Bei anderen PCs im Netz sind die Ergebnisse ok.

Spoiler

$ ping 192.168.1.1
PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.833 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.718 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.800 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=440.674 ms <---
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.822 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.842 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.773 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.757 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=0.773 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=0.747 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.772 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=64 time=0.631 ms <---
Request timeout for icmp_seq 12
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=64 time=229.451 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=64 time=0.864 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=64 time=0.728 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=64 time=0.744 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=64 time=0.766 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=64 time=0.721 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=64 time=0.897 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=64 time=0.780 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=21 ttl=64 time=0.748 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=64 time=0.772 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=23 ttl=64 time=0.790 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=24 ttl=64 time=0.763 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=25 ttl=64 time=0.495 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=26 ttl=64 time=0.746 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=27 ttl=64 time=0.745 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=28 ttl=64 time=0.736 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=29 ttl=64 time=0.839 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=30 ttl=64 time=0.509 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=31 ttl=64 time=0.758 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=32 ttl=64 time=0.763 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=33 ttl=64 time=0.751 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=34 ttl=64 time=0.895 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=35 ttl=64 time=0.727 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=36 ttl=64 time=0.752 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=37 ttl=64 time=0.852 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=38 ttl=64 time=0.738 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=39 ttl=64 time=0.734 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=40 ttl=64 time=0.783 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=41 ttl=64 time=0.798 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=42 ttl=64 time=0.807 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=43 ttl=64 time=0.762 ms <---
Request timeout for icmp_seq 44
Request timeout for icmp_seq 45
Request timeout for icmp_seq 46
Request timeout for icmp_seq 47
Request timeout for icmp_seq 48
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=49 ttl=64 time=239.585 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=50 ttl=64 time=0.787 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=51 ttl=64 time=0.755 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=52 ttl=64 time=0.750 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=53 ttl=64 time=0.731 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=54 ttl=64 time=0.818 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=55 ttl=64 time=0.805 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=56 ttl=64 time=0.798 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=57 ttl=64 time=0.772 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=58 ttl=64 time=0.797 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=59 ttl=64 time=0.801 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=60 ttl=64 time=0.737 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=61 ttl=64 time=0.685 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=62 ttl=64 time=0.831 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=63 ttl=64 time=0.925 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=64 ttl=64 time=0.725 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=65 ttl=64 time=0.731 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=66 ttl=64 time=0.778 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=67 ttl=64 time=0.755 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=68 ttl=64 time=0.795 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=69 ttl=64 time=0.743 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=70 ttl=64 time=0.774 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=71 ttl=64 time=0.733 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=72 ttl=64 time=0.745 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=73 ttl=64 time=0.973 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=74 ttl=64 time=0.740 ms <---
Request timeout for icmp_seq 75
Request timeout for icmp_seq 76
Request timeout for icmp_seq 77
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=78 ttl=64 time=605.897 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=79 ttl=64 time=0.720 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=80 ttl=64 time=0.825 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=81 ttl=64 time=0.760 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=82 ttl=64 time=0.743 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=83 ttl=64 time=0.736 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=84 ttl=64 time=0.756 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=85 ttl=64 time=0.787 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=86 ttl=64 time=0.735 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=87 ttl=64 time=0.725 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=88 ttl=64 time=0.784 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=89 ttl=64 time=0.694 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=90 ttl=64 time=0.657 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=91 ttl=64 time=0.614 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=92 ttl=64 time=0.539 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=93 ttl=64 time=0.643 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=94 ttl=64 time=0.635 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=95 ttl=64 time=0.845 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=96 ttl=64 time=0.655 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=97 ttl=64 time=0.786 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=98 ttl=64 time=0.837 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=99 ttl=64 time=0.733 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=100 ttl=64 time=284.921 ms <---
^C
--- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics ---
101 packets transmitted, 92 packets received, 8.9% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.495/20.288/605.897/88.140 ms

 

[ChavezD]

Da scheint tatsächlich mit der box etwas nicht zu stimmen, entweder setzt du dich mit dem support in Kontakt oder du schickst sie zurück, sofern sie neu ist, und holst dir etwas anderes
Du kannst gerne mal berichten wie das Thema ausgeht, gerade da ja AVM der Fehler bekannt zu sein scheint.

 

[p4n0]

Klemm mal ALLE Geraete von der Box ab und pruef das direkt mit einem PC.

Also:

DSL --> FB --> PC. Ansonsten nix.
(Und WLAN Ausschalten)

Grueße

 

[pipi]

Direkt an der FritzBox habe ich keine Ping Probleme, alles unter 1 ms.

 

[p4n0]

Dann steck jetzt nach und nach deine Geraete wieder ein und schau wer der Uebeltaeter ist.
Ich tippe auf nen Adresskonflikt...

Bevor du das W-LAN an der FB wieder einschaltest aender mal das Kennwort und melde jedes Geraet neu an!
(Auch wieder nacheinander und beobachten)

 

[pipi]

Das Problem ist inzwischen gelöst:

Zwischen der FritzBox und meinem Rechner hingen noch 2 Network-Switches, einer davon hatte Probleme gemacht.

 

[Carlss]

Die Fritzboxen sind allgemein manchmal echt gewöhnungsbedürftig.

Ich finde die Fritzbox Router im groß und ganzen total in Ordnung! Selbstverständlich hat jeder Hersteller Schwarze Schafe bei der Produktion.

 

[ChavezD]

Das ist ja gut, dass das Problem gelöst ist!
Ich habe hier mehr oder weniger den direkten Vegleich zwischen einer (schon älteren) Fritzbox 7270 und eines Netgear WNDR4000 mit der Firmware DD-WRT aufgespielt. Was Benutzerfreundlichkeit angeht liegt ganz klar das Deutsche Produkt von AVM vorne, wenn es aber um mehr oder weniger "erweiterte" Einstellungen geht, bekommt das Community Projekt den Punkt. Ich denke hierüber muss man sich auch nicht streiten und wird jeder so unterschreiben der mit beiden schonmal gearbeitet hat.
Für den 0815 Nutzer langt sicherlich jede Fritzbox, auch wenn wie schon angesprochen, die WLAN Leistung nicht immer die beste ist (mMn hat sie auch in den Jahren mit den neueren Modellen langsam abgenommen)..
Ich bin jedenfalls froh mich durch die Tiefen der Einstellungsmöglichkeiten gewühlt zu haben und jetzt für mich das perfekte Produkt zu haben