League of Legends League of Legends - [Sammelthread] Teil 2

[Senior_Cartmene]

... denn Grundsätzlich sollte jeder Spieler in der Lage sein jede Rolle mit 2 verschiedenen Charaktere spielen zu können.

Key word being "SOLLTE".

Auf der Kehrseite, ist der einfachste Weg ELO zu steigern, indem du immer den gleichen Champ spammst.
Das merken auch viele und da sie der Meinung sind, sie sind ja alle Diamond/Challenger und nur wegen dem Kack Team noch in Bronze, wird dann auch fleißig Tryndamere oder der aktuelle FotM gespammt, weil man da schön im ELO steigt.

Das sind dann auch die Leute, die ewig auf Gold V oder Plat V hängen bleiben und eigntl. schon wieder abgestiegen sein müssten.


m.M.n. hat keiner was in der ranked Q verloren, der nicht jede Position mit zumindest 1 Champ adequat besetzen/spielen kann. Besser wäre 2 Champs je Rolle, ideal 3 oder mehr.

@Pfanner
Klingt jetzt vllt. etwas harsch aber in meinen Augen haste nix in ranked verloren, wenn Du nicht supporten kannst. Sobald Du "Play" drückst hast Du Dein Team schon in's Hintertreffen gebracht, weil es von Anfang an ein handycap hat, einfach nur dadurch, dass Du im Team bist.
Das ist vollkommen unfair für Dein Team und auch einfach nur Dumm für Dich. Du willst doch gewinnen? Warum tuste also nix dagegen, dass jedes Team in dem Du spielst von Anfang an ein handycap hat und es schwerer als "normal" ist zu gewinnen?

Ist doch vollkommen klar, was Du jetzt zu tun hast, wennde weiter ranked spielen willst...

Normal Draft und support spammen!

Ob Du jetzt 3 games oder 20 games dafür brauchst, mit 1-2 supports so komfortabel zu werden, dass Du sagst "jo, die Rolle kann ich adequat besetzen" hängt an Dir.

Mach's wie ich und spiel Taric. Viel einfacher geht es nicht. Und guck Dir mal paar gute support player im stream an, nicht immer nur die carries.
Schau mal Xpecial oder EdWard zu. Da raffste dann auch schnell, was Deine Hauptaufgabe als supp ist, wo Du sinnvoll in der lane wardest, etc. etc.


@eigenes ranked team machen
Wennde selbst zu unregelmäßig on bist und andere auch, gibt es ja genau dafür 4 (!) subs/bench player.
Da geht eigntl. immer mal was.

Wenn es einfach partout nicht zeitlich zu machen ist, haste halt gelitten.... was soll ich sagen, dann leg deine zeiten anders oder lebe halt damit, dass du in SoloQ ein ganz anderes game gespielt wird.

 

[~H!ld3~]

Also supp sollte man schon spielen können. Es passiert einfach oft genug, dass der last pick suppen muss. Und wirklich schwer ist Supp wirklich nicht...

 

[Senior_Cartmene]

Supp ist genauso anspruchsvoll und "schwer" wie alle anderen Rollen auch.

Es ist einfach noobiges "rumgebronze" was dazu führt, dass supp total unterbewertet und falsche gespielt wird.

Lern es mal richtig und schaue wie deine winrate hoch geht, weil euer team plötzlich jedes game nen fed ad carry hat, dem Gegner buffs und drake abnimmt und permanent super vision der map hat.

 

[~H!ld3~]

Das sehe ich definitiv anders.
Also Supp muss ich mich nicht damit beschäftigen wann ich den last hit setzte.
Ordentlich zu warden, oracle zu kaufen etc. ist keine Kunst.
Sein Pink zu setzen, nachdem man im Inv. sieht, dass der gegnerische Supp seins eben gerade gesetzt hat, halte ich ebenfalls für keinen Geniestreich.
Es gehört einfach dazu ein wenig mit zu denken.

 

[Gryffin]

ich wäre bei nem Team dabei.
Kann so halbwegs jede Pos spielen (am besten Top)
Zeiten: unter der Woche abends, und ab und an mal am WE.
Häng in Bronze 1 fest, komm da irgendwie nicht weg (bei 2-4 Punkte pro Sieg auch kein Wunder)

Wer interesse an DuoQ oder Team hat, einfach adden: Gryffin83

 

[nik_]

wenn so weiter geht droppe ich noch silver5. war kog ad carry mit sona vs draven + lux. wir gewinnen lane (dmg trades, farm, etc...), bis unser jungler (heca) kommt und immer wenn er ganken wollt, gabes double für gegner. er flamt alle, mault rum, etc...

 

[PfanneR]

@Senior_Cartmene

Gut das ich kein Ranked spiele , aber wäre es nicht genau so unfair vom Team wenn ich sage, ich kann keinen Support spielen und keiner von ihnen auch nicht, oder sie könnten, aber wollen nicht? Das kann man drehen und wenden wie man will mMn. Ohne das es so rüber kommt als ob ich mich blind auf die Leute verlasse, ich spiele Supp wenn’s nicht anders geht aber man muss nicht immer alles können. Es sind schließlich verschiedene Rollen , genauso wie es verschiedene Champions gibt und die kann man auch nicht alle beherrschen

Und das ich absolut kein Supp spielen kann war vermutlich übertrieben, z.B. ist Lulu ganz nett mit der ich auch ganz gut kann aber es auch eindeutig Leute gibt die dafür besser geeignet sind.

Das ist ja schließlich ein Spiel das ich zum Spaß spiele, es geht um nichts ( zumindest nicht um etwas bedeutendes). Ranked sehe ich auch nur als Möglichkeit zu sehen wie gut man wirklich ist. Wenn du etwas erreichen willst dann sowieso nur in einem Team

 

[dirty_dirk]

Support wird wirklich unterschätzt und einen guten Support zu spielen ist genauso schwierig wie jede andere Position, schon alleine auf Grund der verschiedenen Support Champs und Ihrer Rolle in den Team Comps. Da gibt es die Tanks, Supports mit viel Utility oder auch Damage und das muss dann auch entsprechend gespielt werden. Ein Support Player muss prinzipiell auch Last hitten können, z. B. wenn der ADC mal in der Base ist, spätestens aber wenn er mal nicht Support spielen kann.

Wenn einem in der Laning Phase mit dem Support langweilig wird, weil man dem ADC nur vom Busch aus zuschaut wie er seine Last hits durchführt, dann sollte man sich mal intensiver mit Position beschäftigen. Da kann man nämlich viele schöne Sachen (Harras, Lane Gegner beobachten, Minimap beobachten (auch die anderen Lanes) + entprechende Pings setzen, den gegnerischen Jungler beobachten, SS für andere Lanes angeben usw.) machen. All das worauf andere nicht achten, weil Sie mit dem Last hitten beschäftigt sind.

Wenn es an die Teamfights geht, ist der Support der beste Freund des Teams, er ist ggf. für den Initiate zuständig, muss die Carrys beschützen oder mit seinen Utility Skills dafür sorgen, dass das gegnerische Team in Teamfights gar nicht erst richtig zum Zug kommt. Einige Supports sind sogar wahre Meister darin schlecht laufende Teamfights zu gunsten des eigenen Teams zu drehen.

Spätestens aber wenn der Support herbei geeilt kommt um den einsam herumlaufenden und vom Gegner gejagten Carry zu retten, freut man sich über dessen Anwesenheit und Map Awarness, da er schon sehr früh in Richtung des einsamen Kameraden gelaufen ist, weil er wusste der wird gleich gecatcht.

 

[Pampersrocker97]

Support wird wirklich unterschätzt und einen guten Support zu spielen ist genauso schwierig wie jede andere Position, schon alleine auf Grund der verschiedenen Support Champs und Ihrer Rolle in den Team Comps. Da gibt es die Tanks, Supports mit viel Utility oder auch Damage und das muss dann auch entsprechend gespielt werden. Ein Support Player muss prinzipiell auch Last hitten können, z. B. wenn der ADC mal in der Base ist, spätestens aber wenn er mal nicht Support spielen kann.

Wenn einem in der Laning Phase mit dem Support langweilig wird, weil man dem ADC nur vom Busch aus zuschaut wie er seine Last hits durchführt, dann sollte man sich mal intensiver mit Position beschäftigen. Da kann man nämlich viele schöne Sachen (Harras, Lane Gegner beobachten, Minimap beobachten (auch die anderen Lanes) + entprechende Pings setzen, den gegnerischen Jungler beobachten, SS für andere Lanes angeben usw.) machen. All das worauf andere nicht achten, weil Sie mit dem Last hitten beschäftigt sind.

Wenn es an die Teamfights geht, ist der Support der beste Freund des Teams, er ist ggf. für den Initiate zuständig, muss die Carrys beschützen oder mit seinen Utility Skills dafür sorgen, dass das gegnerische Team in Teamfights gar nicht erst richtig zum Zug kommt. Einige Supports sind sogar wahre Meister darin schlecht laufende Teamfights zu gunsten des eigenen Teams zu drehen.

Spätestens aber wenn der Support herbei geeilt kommt um den einsam herumlaufenden und vom Gegner gejagten Carry zu retten, freut man sich über dessen Anwesenheit und Map Awarness, da er schon sehr früh in Richtung des einsamen Kameraden gelaufen ist, weil er wusste der wird gleich gecatcht.

100%ige Zustimmung.
Hatten ein Game letztens theoretisch schon verloren als die Janna Support so einen unnormal guten Job gemacht haben das wir die Gegner geaced haben und gewinnen konnten, das war der Hammer.
Sie war echt gut, dann hab ich sie geaddet, gleiches Level wie ich und noch ein Game mit ihr gespielt und sie ging Cassiopeia mid total ab.

 

[PfanneR]

Die neuen Patchnotes sind da

Spoiler: Patch 3.13 notes Part 1

PvP.net Service / Client

We made some changes that allow us to dynamically provide “Loss Forgiven” to servers experiencing hardware or connection issues. Players should see this more often if their game servers are having issues
We can now disable in-game items and features on the fly, so if there are new bugs or exploits, we’ll disable things on a more sophisticated level rather than turning off all ranked games

Improved Champ Select Timer accuracy and reliability (to be turned on at a later date).
The client will now actively sync its timer with the server during every phase. If your original timer is behind, you may see a jump as it syncs up with the server (e.g. jumping from 60 to 50 if you are 10 seconds behind). But you will no longer run into situations like having seconds left on your timer but having your selection window end prematurely.
We've also reintroduced the numbers 89 to the beginning timer, and 9 into the post Lock-In timer (did you realize they were missing?).
Fixed an issue which would cause the screen to briefly flicker black when selecting a skin in Champ Select
Temporary summoner icons for the Season 3 World Championship teams have been removed from the client
Fixed an issue where purchased champions or skins would disappear in rare circumstances

Friends List

Added redundancies to fix corrupted friends lists commonly caused by 3rd party chat clients
This will fix the following:
Online friends appearing offline
Opening the wrong friend when clicking on another
Friends appearing to be another friend
Fixed an issue where a player with a pending friend request would appear online after sending them a game invite
Group Chat Panels received a visual update to match the new updated friends list

Game Interface

Fixed a bug where some options, such as move camera on respawn, would not save
Players who receive messages while scrolling through chat history will no longer have their chat jump to the bottom


In-Game Mechanics

Attack Speed slows

Summary: Attack speed slows (IE: Nasus' Wither) were immune to cleanse or other forms of debuff removal unless attached to a movement impairing effect. Now all attack speed slows can be cleansed and are treated like movement speed slows.

Context: We’re updating attack speed slows in order to have more consistent counterplay related to debuff removal. Essentially, we're looking to treat all slows the same, whether they're movement or attack speed based.

Attack Speed slows can now be cleansed as if they were movement-impairing crowd control effects
Affected champion abilities and items:
Gragas’ Barrel Roll
Malphite’s Ground Slam
Randuin's Omen
Warden's Mail

Champions with dashes tied to their ultimates

Summary: The following champions will now be affected by snaring or stunning crowd control abilities after they complete their dashes. Their spells will still be unstoppable, but most forms of crowd control landed while the champion’s using the ability will be applied after the spell completes. CC duration will tick down while a champion is mid-dash.

Context: We're adding more counterplay for champions who have long-range dashes tied to their ultimates by making them susceptible to certain forms of crowd control after they complete a dash - like snares or stuns. Now if a teammate lands a snare in the middle of a champion's dash, the ulting champion will complete their ability, but be snared at the end.

Crowd control effects can now be received during "unstoppable" movement ultimates (they previously discarded all crowd control effects), but those ultimates will still finish their movement regardless (crowd control effects can persist after the cast finishes)
Affected champions:
Jarvan IV's Cataclysm
Nocturne's Paranoia
Vi's Assault and Battery
Malphite's Unstoppable Force
Hecarim's Onslaught of Shadows

Stealth Champions

Stealthing now causes a self-only screen tint visual effect.
Affected champions:
Akali
Kha’zix
LeBlanc
Shaco
Talon
Teemo
Twitch
Vayne
Wukong


Champions

Aatrox

Summary: Blood Well’s passive attack speed bonus now scales with character level (lower at earlier levels, higher at max level). Blades of Torment’s damage has been reduced (equal at lower levels, lower at max levels).

Context: Any champion can be frustrating to play against when they’re capable of building very tanky while still outputting considerable DPS, so we're lowering some of Aatrox’s innate damage. With this change, Aatrox must build items for damage and won’t be able to simultaneously tank and smash face as easily.

Blood Well

Passive Attack Speed changed to 30/35/40/45/50/55% (upgrades every 3 champion levels) (from 50% flat)

Blades of Torment

Damage reduced to 75/110/145/180/215 (from 75/120/165/210/255)

Ahri

Summary: Charm has had its mana cost changed to a flat amount at all levels but now increases the magic damage Ahri deals to a Charmed target. Essence Theft now heals her for a specific amount based on the number of enemies she hits with her passive-enhanced spell, as opposed to getting straight spell vamp. Fox Fire now deals less damage when multiple wisps hit the same target. Spirit Rush's base damage and AP ratios have been slightly reduced.

Context: Ahri is a champion with a lot of strengths and few weaknesses, given her high versatility and reliability, so she can consistently apply a lot of pressure on her opponents from relative safety. Ahri’s strengths should be better defined than they currently are. These changes give Ahri players (and her opponents) clear areas of mastery that differentiate the good Ahris from the great Ahris. Our core focuses are:

Make Ahri’s default lane patterns more clear, so both Ahri and her opponents can make plays around them
Make Ahri’s “all-in” gameplay more closely tied with landing Charm to establish Charm as Ahri’s “kiss of death” that needs to be avoided, as well as lower her threat/presence while Charm is on cooldown
Keep Ahri’s core gameplay intact while trimming away strength from the low-gameplay patterns that don’t feel rewarding

Essence Theft

Now heals Ahri for 2 (+1 per champion level) (+0.09 Ability Power) each time her passive-enhanced spells hit an enemy (previously 35% Spell Vamp)

Fox-Fire

Mana cost reduced to 50 (from 60)
Diminishing returns effect on same-target hits increased to 70% (from 50%) (best case is now 100% + 30% + 30%)
This reduces the same-target damage to 64/104/144/184/224 (+0.64 Ability Power) (from 80/130/180/230/280 (+0.8 Ability Power))
Fixed a bug that caused Fox-Fire to sometimes deal reduced damage to a target that should receive the standard damage amount

Charm

Now increases the magic damage Ahri deals to the target by 20% for 6 seconds
Mana cost changed to 85 (from 50/65/80/95/110)

Spirit Rush

Base damage reduced to 70/110/150 (+0.3 Ability Power) (from 85/125/165 (+0.35 Ability Power))
This reduces the max damage per target to 210/330/450 (+0.9 Ability Power) (from 255/375/495 (+1.05 Ability Power))

Corki

Summary: Corki's base attack speed has been reduced. Missile Barrage's base damage has been reduced at earlier ranks and the cooldown between missile shots has been increased. Additionally, the cooldown between missile shots can no longer be reduced by cooldown reduction, but CDR will still affect how quickly you can gain missile ammo.

Context: Overall, we like the direction we pushed Corki toward with Trinity Force, but currently he's too overwhelming to play against. Here we're reducing excess power in a few areas to put him more in line with other similar spell-based ADCs. Ultimately, Missile Barrage should function as a powerful sustained damage tool rather than a source of burst damage.

General

Base Attack Speed reduced to 0.625 (from 0.658)

Missile Barrage

Base damage reduced to 100/180/260 (from 120/190/260)
Cooldown between missile shots increased to 2 seconds (from 1.2)
Cooldown between missile shots can no longer be reduced by Cooldown Reduction (Cooldown Reduction still affects how quickly you gain missile ammo)

Fizz

Summary: The active ability power ratio of Seastone Trident has been reduced significantly.

Context: We’re aiming to reduce some of Fizz’s late game damage so that he has to rely more on successfully landing his ultimate or finding a way to stall until his next set of cooldowns come up in order to successfully assassinate targets in late game fights.

Playful / Trickster

Fixed a bug where Fizz became targetable while still descending from Playful (he now only becomes targetable after landing, just like Trickster)

Seastone Trident

Active Ability Power ratio reduced to 0.15 (from 0.35)

Heimerdinger

Summary: Heimerdinger’s kit has been significantly reworked this patch. Techmaturgical Repair Bots no longer works on friendly turrets. H-28G Evolution Turrets now fire a beam every twelve seconds in a projected line shot in addition to their regular attacks. Additionally, H-28G Evolution Turret will now shut down after a period of time if Heimerdinger leaves the area. Hextech Micro-Rockets have been reworked to unleash a barrage of rockets that converge at your cursor before fanning out. Enemies hit by more than one rocket take reduced magic damage from additional rockets. CH-1 Electron Storm Grenade now travels in an arc.

UPGRADE!!! makes Heimerdinger’s next spell free while also applying bonus effects. Upgrading H-28G Evolution Turret transforms it into a giant H-28Q Apex Turret that deals higher damage with a lower cooldown beam. Upgrading Hextech Micro-Rockets transforms it into Hextech Rocket Swarm, where Heimerdinger fires out four waves of rockets that deal damage on impact. Finally, upgrading the CH-1 Electron Storm Grenade transforms it into a CH-3X Lightning Grenade that bounces three times (dealing damage and stunning with each bounce) before disappearing.

Context: Heimerdinger’s got some new toys! Our core goal was to give Heimerdinger the tools to differentiate himself in ability use and build optimization. In particular, we focused on diversifying the Heimerdinger experience so that each of Heimer’s abilities comes with its own form of gameplay and interaction – players will need to think carefully about how to use each in an optimal way. Raise your turrets!

Passive: Techmaturgical Repair Bots

Heimerdinger gives nearby allied champions and H-28G Evolution Turrets 10/15/20/25/30 bonus Health Regen

H-28G Evolution Turret

Places a Turret at target location. Turret attacks prioritize Heimerdinger’s targets and enemies attacking Heimerdinger
Heimerdinger generates a Turret Kit every 24/23/22/21/20 seconds (modified by Cooldown Reduction), and he can hold up to 1/1/2/2/3 Kits at once
Cost: 20 Mana and 1 Kit
Cooldown: 1s
H-28G Evolution Turret Stats
Health: 150 (+25 per champion level)
Attack - Cannon: 15/22/29/36/42 (+0.125 Ability Power) magic damage
Attack - Beam: 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.5 Ability Power) magic damage in a line, 12 second cooldown
Maximum Turrets: 3

Hextech Micro-Rockets

Unleashes a barrage of 5 rockets that converge towards your cursor and fan out past it. Each rocket deals 60/90/120/150/180 (+0.45 Ability Power) magic damage
Enemies that are hit by more than one rocket take 20% magic damage for each additional rocket (max damage 108/162/216/270/324). Minions take 60% instead
Targeting the ability closer to Heimerdinger increases projectile spread
Cost: 70/80/90/100/110 Mana
Cooldown: 11s

CH-1 Electron Storm Grenade

Hurls a grenade that deals 60/100/140/180/220 (+0.6 Ability Power) magic damage to enemy units and slows their Movement Speed by 35% for 2 seconds
Enemies in the center of the blast are also stunned for 1.25 seconds
Cost: 85 Mana
Cooldown: 18/16/14/12/10

UPGRADE!!!

Heimerdinger's next basic spell is free and has bonus effects
H-28Q Apex Turret: Places a Turret that deals 90/110/130 (+0.33 Ability Power) magic damage with its cannon and 225/300/375 (+0.8 Ability Power) magic damage with its beam for 8 seconds
Hextech Rocket Swarm: Fires 4 waves that deal 135/180/225 (+0.45 Ability Power) magic damage each. Champions and monsters hit by multiple rockets take reduced damage (max 550/690/865 (+1.83 Ability Power))
CH-3X Lightning Grenade: Throws a grenade that discharges three times, dealing 150/200/250 (+0.6 Ability Power) magic damage each time. Both the stun and slow areas are larger, and the slow is improved to 80%
Cooldown: 100/85/70
Cost: 100 Mana

Jinx

Summary: Switcheroo!’s Minigun attack speed bonus has been reduced at early ranks. Zap!’s base damage has been reduced at early ranks and its mana cost has been slightly increased. Zap! also no longer reveals stealthed units.

Context: We feel that while Jinx's kit has a lot of built-in weakness in the mid and late game, her early lane dominance is so overwhelming that it distorts her overall power across the entire game. The goal here is to address Jinx’s early damage potential while trying to minimize effects on her late game.

Switcheroo! - Minigun

Total Attack Speed bonus reduced to 30/55/80/105/130% (from 50/70/90/110/130%)

Zap!

Base damage reduced to 10/60/110/160/210 (from 30/75/120/165/210)
Mana cost increased to 50/60/70/80/90 (from 45/55/65/75/85)
No longer reveals stealthed units

Kassadin

Summary: Null Sphere has had its mana cost and damage reduced at later levels. The silence duration of Null Sphere has been increased at lower levels but very slightly lowered at max level. Riftwalk’s base damage and bonus damage per stack has been increased in addition to having a small AP ratio added per stack. Additionally, Riftwalk now refunds 50% of the total mana cost when it damages an enemy champion. Finally, Kassadin no longer gains magic resistance per level.

Context: Currently we feel like Kassadin’s play beyond the laning phase is too safe, especially when he gets ahead. He can deal consistently high damage at range with Null Sphere and Force Pulse while holding on to Riftwalk for a safe escape. These changes are focused on forcing Kassadin to use Riftwalk as a significant part of his damage output, which also gives opponents opportunities to capitalize on his mistakes.

General

Magic Resist per level reduced to 0 (from 1.25)

Null Sphere

Base damage reduced to 80/115/150/185/220 (from 80/130/180/230/280)
Silence duration changed to 1.5/1.75/2.0/2.25/2.5 seconds (from 1/1.4/1.8/2.2/2.6)
Mana Cost reduced to 70/75/80/85/90 (from 70/80/90/100/110)

Riftwalk

Base damage increased to 80/100/120 (from 60/70/80)
Base damage per Riftwalk stack reduced to 50/55/60 (from 60/70/80)
Added 0.1 Ability Power ratio per stack
Now refunds 50% of the total mana cost when Riftwalk damages an enemy champion

Morgana

Summary: Morgana’s attack range, base attack speed, and basic attack animation have been improved across the board. Tormented Soil no longer reduces magic resistance per tick, instead it deals additional damage based on an enemy's missing health. Morgana should deal roughly the same amount of overall damage, although there’ll be some variation due to how the new Tormented Soil works.

Context: This change is more of a modernization of Morgana and her Tormented Soil by rewarding her for being continuously aggressive with landing her Dark Bindings. Specifically, we wanted to reinforce Morgana's standard damage combo of Dark Binding to Tormented Soil, rather than the "ideal" combo of using Tormented Soil's magic resistance reduction to make Dark Binding deal more damage.

General

Attack Range increased to 450 (from 425)
Base Attack Speed increased to 0.625 (from 0.579)
Improved basic attack responsiveness

Tormented Soil

Damage per second changed to 24/38/52/66/80 (+0.22 Ability Power) (from 25/40/55/70/85 (+0.2 Ability Power))
Tormented Soil's damage now increases by up to 50% based on the enemy's missing Health
Damage application cadence increased to every 0.5 seconds from every 1 second
No longer applies a Magic Resist reduction debuff

Olaf

Summary: Undertow’s slow duration has been increased and its mana cost changed to a flat cost. Vicious Strikes grants more attack speed at lower levels. Reckless Swing deals slightly less self-damage to Olaf on use.

Context: We were overly cautious with our initial rework changes for Olaf, which left him undertuned, but not Old and Busted. However, now that we’ve addressed some of his old core issues, we feel like we can be more aggressive with tweaking his kit balance. These changes are focused on allowing Olaf to better stick to his opponents when he’s landing his skillshots properly, which will, in turn, allow him to better melt face when he’s in the zone.

Undertow

Slow duration increased to 1.5 - 2.5 seconds (from 1.0 to 2.0)
Mana cost changed to 60 (from 55/60/65/70/75)

Vicious Strikes

Attack Speed increased to 40/50/60/70/80% (from 20/35/50/65/80%)

Reckless Swing

Self-damage reduced to 30% damage dealt (from 40% damage dealt)

Rammus

General

Rammus received a texture update

Sivir

Summary: Sivir has received a visual upgrade! Sivir’s Ricochet will now be active for the next three attacks after casting and each attack bounces infinitely, provided it can find new targets to bounce to (it will never hit the same target twice). Additionally, targets hit by a bounce will take a flat percentage amount of damage. Spell Shield no longer costs mana to cast. On The Hunt no longer has a cast time but doesn’t provide a flat bonus attack speed aura. On The Hunt now provides a large movement speed boost that wears off to a smaller, longer lasting movement speed buff. On The Hunt also provides a passive attack speed bonus when Sivir activates Ricochet. Finally, Sivir no longer runs in slow motion (her movement speed remains unaffected).

Context: When we approached reworking Sivir, we shied away from homogenizing her as another generic Marksman. Instead we took a route where we wanted to highlight Sivir’s unique traits, like her ability to deal high area-of-effect damage with Ricochet and her large team-wide mobility boost in On the Hunt. Our focus here is to ensure that dedicated Sivir players will still be able to enjoy the core gameplay mechanics they’ve come to appreciate while also bringing Sivir up to our modern gameplay standards and aesthetics.

General

Sivir has received a visual update! Check out the full details here.
Attack Speed per level reduced to 1.6 (from 3.28)

Ricochet

Now when activated, Sivir's next 3 basic attacks will Ricochet
No longer has a maximum number of bounces (each Ricochet can still only strike a target once)
Now bounces to the closest target (instead of a random target within the bounce radius)
Deals 50/55/60/65/70% damage to all secondary targets
No longer has a base damage
Cooldown increased to 9/8/7/6/5 seconds (from 7/6/5/4/3)

Spell Shield

Reduced Mana cost to 0 (from 75)
Mana return reduced to 60/75/90/105/120 (from 150)

On The Hunt

No longer has a cast time
Active no longer grants Attack Speed
Now grants Sivir a new Passive: Sivir gains 40/60/80% bonus Attack Speed while Ricochet is active
Movement Speed bonus now begins at 60%, then reduces to 20% after 4 seconds
Cooldown changed to 120/90/60 seconds (from 100/90/80)

Zed

Summary: Living Shadow and Death Mark have had their cast wind-up time increased. Death Mark now spawns the shadow at Zed’s starting position rather than behind the target. Death Mark’s shadow will stay around longer and Zed can switch places with it at any range.

Context: Zed’s been a balance pain point for a while, especially at the competitive level. In particular, Zed’s current play patterns – while satisfying for the player – can be executed so quickly that they offer little to no reaction time for his opponents. In its current iteration, Death Mark sets up Zed’s gameplay for free with little execution needed beforehand. Because Zed’s intended gameplay focuses so heavily on manipulating his shadows, we want to force him to actively think about how he’ll use his tools to assassinate his targets.

Living Shadow

Significantly increased the time it takes for the Living Shadow to reach its destination (missile travel speed reduced to 1500 from 2500)

Death Mark

Now spawns the Living Shadow at Zed's starting position rather than behind the target
Increased the time Zed remains untargetable before dashing to the target to 0.75 seconds (from 0.35)
Death Mark shadow duration increased to 6 seconds (from 4)
Increased the range at which Zed can switch places with his Death Mark shadow to 2000 (from 1100)

Ziggs

Summary: We’ve slightly increased the damage on Short Fuse. Bouncing Bomb can now be cast at targets outside of max range but will only travel the set distance. Satchel Charge's radius has been increased. Hexplosive Minefield and Mega Inferno Bomb are both more effective against minions, with minions no longer taking reduced damage from multiple hits of Minefield and Mega Inferno Bomb dealing double damage to minions.

Context: We've improved Ziggs in terms of general utility while also trying to more effectively carve out his niche as a pushing /counter-pushing champion. Bombs away!

Short Fuse

Max damage increased to 150 (from 139) (now scales non-linearly)

Bouncing Bomb

Bouncing Bomb will now cast when targeted outside of its maximum range (will fire to the maximum range in the targeted direction)

Satchel Charge

Radius increased to 325 (from 275)

Hexplosive Minefield

No longer deals reduced damage on multiple hits to minions
Damage radius per mine increased to 150 (from 135)

Mega Inferno Bomb

Now deals double damage to minions

Zyra

Summary: Deadly Bloom's damage has been reduced overall but her AP ratio has been increased. Rampant Growth's passive cooldown reduction has decreased. The plants spawned from Rampant Growth have had their base damage reduced at lower levels, but increased later on. We’ve also improved Zyra’s overall feel by making seed transformation/enraging plants more intuitive.

Context: Our overall strategy here is to tone down Zyra's early level poke damage and, while we are reducing some of her overall power, we also want to improve her ability to fluidly combo cast with seeds. Additionally, reducing the base damage of her spells while increasing the AP ratios is aimed at reducing her power as a support without hurting her capabilities as a mage.

Deadly Bloom

Range reduced to 800 (from 825)
Damage changed to 70/105/140/175/210 (+0.65 Ability Power) (from 75/115/155/195/235 (+0.6 Ability Power))

Rampant Growth

Passive Cooldown Reduction reduced to 2/4/6/8/10% (from 4/8/12/16/20%)
Plant base damage changed to 23 (+6.5 per champion level) (from 26 (+6 per champion level))
Reduced the delay before seeds can be stepped on by enemies to 1.5 seconds (from 3)
Range increased to 825 (from 800)
Fixed a bug where spells would rarely not turn seeds into plants

Stranglethorns

Stun no longer persists after the knockup ends
Now properly enrages plants created within the bramble zone after Stranglethorns has been cast

 

[Senior_Cartmene]

@Pfanner
mag jetzt sein weil ich halt hauptsächlich ranked spiele aber in meinen Augen sind normals eh nur zum Üben da.
Da finde ich kommt es weniger auf Teamoptimierung an sondern mehr darauf sachen zu trainieren und gut zu werden also wie gesagt ne super Möglichkeit support zu spammen, bis du dich damit genauso wohl fühlst wie mit anderen rollen.

Und schon kannste in rankeds rein gehen und bist viel wertvoller für jedes team als 80% aller Spieler Gold und drunter.



@Support generell
Wie schon einiges angesprochen wurde ist die Rolle wesentlich komplexer als viele denken.
Es ist ja nicht nur paar river wards setzen und dragon timen. Gerade in der lane phase macht ein guter support so einen gigantischen unterschied...
Klar die basics sind eher simpel, river warden, ab und zu was pinken damit jungler ganken kann, ward placement des Gegners im Blick behalten, brush control, ADC beschützen/verteidigen wenn er harassed wird, basta

Aber spiel mal mit nem richtig guten support zusammen, der die Rolle wirklich versteht und gemeistert hat.
Du hast keine Ahnung wie smooth auf einmal alles läuft und wie viel Luft du auf einmal als ADC zum farmen hast.
Ein guter support macht neben den Basics nicht nur timer für buffs und dragon und unterstützt andere lanes durch pings etc.
In der lane selbst, wie oft passiert es dir, das der support einfach die wards an die standard spots setzt aber du bist auf einmal unter tower gepusht und es ist kein ward mehr für den lane brush übrig und du hast die ständige Gefahr von blitz/thresh gehooked zu werden, wenn du für n CS ranläufst?
Wie oft passiert es, das schwache supports in den falschen momenten zurück zur base gehen (müssen) weil keine wards mehr da sind oder sie zu viel Schaden genommen/kein Mana mehr haben?

Ein guter support ist genauso im lane management involviert wie du. Er hilft dir pushen, wenn die Zeit dafür ist, ohne dir CS zu klauen und er weiss ob und welchen lane brush er warden muss, je nachdem wie eure lane sich entwickelt. Er weiss ob 1 ward im river reicht oder er tribrush und river beide warden muss. Er weiss ob er einen extra ward im River Brush braucht, weil der gegnerische Kassa/Lee Sin sonst einfach da reinjumped.
Er weiss ob er den vorderen oder hinteren lanebrush warded je nachdem wie die lane läuft. etc. etc.

Und ein guter support wird 1v2 den Gegner harassen und zonen, so dass du vollkommen ungestört farmen kannst, aber dabei nicht so viel Schaden nehmen/overextenden, das er ein Risiko für Eure lane darstellt. Und ein guter ADC wird synchron mit ihm in Bewegung sein und immer so positioniert sein, das er seinen Schaden mit dem Support bündelt, wenn der Gegner zurückschlagen will.

Und das ist alles nur lane. Insgesamt sind supps dafür predestiniert calls für's team zu machen, da sie die meiste Luft/Zeit haben um sich den besten Überblick zu verschaffen und sagen zu künnen "jetzt tower pushen und dann drake machen, ihr Jungler ist gerade bei ihrem red/bluebuff, unser mid ist stark genug um die lane rauszupushen und unser Jungler ist gerade botside. Gegnerischer top laner hat sein TP auf cooldown, go drake, ich habe pink"

So Sachen halt.


Und noch vieles mehr, ich spiel gar nicht so viel support aber ich weiss da geht eiiiiniges

 

[PfanneR]

Spoiler: Patch 3.13 notes Part 2

Minor Changes and Bug Fixes

Jarvan IV

Context: This change forces Jarvan to be more accurate with his Demacian Standard / Dragon Strike combo while giving opponents some breathing room when trying to dodge it.

Dragon Strike / Demacian Standard

Jarvan's knockup collision radius reduced to 180 from 260

Kha'Zix

Void Spike - Evolved Spike Racks

Slow increased to 30% from 20%

Master Yi

Context: Our original reasons for having Meditate's mana cost scale so high no longer exist, as we were primarily concerned with AP Yi bullying lanes or Meditate refreshing multiple times in a fight.

Alpha Strike

Master Yi will no longer be hit by targeted spells during Alpha Strike

Meditate

Mana cost reduced to 50 (from 50/65/80/95/110)

Nasus

Siphoning Strike

Fixed a bug where Siphoning Strike ignored Spell Shields

Rengar

Context: Rengar's leap out of stealth has insufficient warning for his target, so we changed him to de-stealth at the beginning of his leap instead of mid-leap in order to give his target a fighting chance.

Thrill of the Hunt

Rengar now de-stealths at the beginning of his leap when attacking a target from out of stealth

Shen

Context: Shadow Dash had a fairly large start and end radius to make the spell more forgiving to land. We no longer believe this is necessary.

Shadow Dash

Collision radius has been reduced at the start and end points of the dash

Swain

Context: We saw Carrion Renewal as a place to add strength without significantly impacting the phases of the game where Swain already excels.

Carrion Renewal

Now additionally restores 9% of maximum Mana on champion kill/assist

Syndra

Summary: Syndra received a number of usability improvements to her abilities. Scatter the Weak now indicates where a Dark Sphere will travel and Unleashed Power indicates how many Dark Spheres will be fired.

Scatter the Weak

Range increased to 700 (from 650)
Dark Spheres now have arrow indicators to show the direction they will travel if hit by Scatter the Weak

Unleashed Power

Now displays a counter over the spell icon that tracks the number of Dark Spheres that will be fired

Teemo

Noxious Trap

Fixed a bug where mushrooms gave experience

Thresh

General

Attack Speed per level increased to 3% (from 1%)
Thresh's basic attack wind up is reduced by 0.25% per 1% attack speed, rather than the standard 1%

Tryndamere

Context: We’re trying to reduce the overall map mobility of Tryndamere so it’s harder to safely split push all day, but to do it without hurting his mobility in team fights.

Spinning Slash

Cooldown refund upon critically striking minions/monsters reduced to 1 second from 2 (refund upon striking champions unchanged)

Vladimir

Hemoplague

Fixed a bug that sometimes prevented casting of Transfusion and Tides of Blood for longer than the spell's 0.5 second cast animation


Mana Cost Reductions on Ultimates

Context: Reiterating our stance on high mana cost ultimates, we want ultimate abilities determined more by cooldown than mana cost. Rather than doing an individual context paragraph for each ultimate (which is what we did originally until someone pointed out how stupid that was), we gave them their own section.

Ashe

Enchanted Crystal Arrow

Mana cost reduced to 100 (from 150)

Leona

Solar Flare

Mana cost reduced to 100 (from 100/150/200)

Soraka

Wish

Mana cost reduced to 100 (from 100/175/250)

Varus

Chain of Corruption

Mana cost reduced to 100 (from 120)

Viktor

Chaos Storm

Mana cost reduced to 100 (from 125/175/225)


Alternate Map Balance

Twisted Treeline out of beta

Context: With the competitive season almost done, Twisted Treeline is finally ready to emerge from beta! This doesn't mean design iteration will stop – we'll continue with champion balancing, system tweaks, and maybe even a new item or two!

Crystal Scar

The following changes are for the Crystal Scar only

(Crystal Scar) Map-Specific Change: Self-Healing Penalty

Context: Dominion has evolved in such a way that this healing restriction no longer serves its original intent of preventing turtling. Instead, it's only hurting champions that rely on regen or healing to be effective, so we’ve removed it.

Removed global self-healing reduction buff

(Crystal Scar) Map-Specific Change: Speed Shrine Buffs

Context: The previous version of speed shrine buff allowed for people ganking bot lane to come in at basically Ghost movement speeds, with the gankee having very little reaction time on a wardless map. This change is meant to alleviate some of the pressure to bot lane while making teams invest more if they want to continually pressure the lane.

Speed shrine buff now decays over its duration

Teemo

Fixed a bug where his Move Quick passive Movement Speed was not being removed by Dominion turrets

Crystal Scar, Howling Abyss, and Twisted Treeline

The following changes are for Crystal Scar, Howling Abyss, and Twisted Treeline only

Grez's Spectral Lantern

Summary: Grez’s Spectral Lantern’s combine cost has gone up and the damage has been reduced slightly. The active’s vision duration, cast range, and how long enemy champions stay revealed after exiting the dust have all been reduced significantly.

Context: This item was too cost effective for what it offered and these changes are to bring it more in line with other vision items in terms of cost and utility.

Combine cost increased to 350 Gold (from 150)
Total cost increased to 1450 Gold (from 1250)
Damage reduced to 15 (from 20)
Vision dust duration decreased to 5 seconds (from 10)
Lingering reveal reduced to 3 seconds (from 6)
Cast range decreased to 800 (from 1200)

The Lightbringer

Summary: The Lightbringer’s cost is being increased (partially due to Grez’s Spectral Lantern’s cost increase), and it is gaining additional defensive stats (health / armor / lifesteal) in exchange for a damage reduction. The active’s vision duration, cast range, and how long enemy champions stay revealed after exiting the dust have all been reduced significantly.

Context: Lightbringer is a niche item and will still be a niche item, but this build change will open it up to more champions.

Combine cost increased to 575 Gold (from 300)
Total cost increased to 2500 Gold (from 2425)
Now builds from Ruby Crystal instead of Pickaxe
Now grants +200 Health
Damage reduced to 20 (from 50)
Armor increased to 25 (from 20)
Lifesteal increased to 15% (from 12%)
Vision dust duration decreased to 5 seconds (from 10)
Lingering reveal reduced to 3 seconds (from 6)
Cast range reduced to 800 (from 1200)

Hextech Sweeper

Summary: Hextech Sweeper now builds out of a Kindlegem and Fiendish Codex. The overall cost has gone up and most stats have been reduced (health / AP). The movement speed bonus has been removed and the cooldown reduction has been increased. The active’s vision duration, cast range, and how long enemy champions stay revealed after exiting the dust have all been reduced significantly.

Context: Hextech Sweeper is a staple item on Twisted Treeline / Dominion and we don't want to change that, but we're making it a little less universally appealing by reducing the stats and removing the movement speed bonus. We're also giving it a cooldown reduction boost to help out with some AP itemization issues.

Combine cost increased to 530 Gold (from 200)
Total cost increased to 2300 Gold (from 1920)
Now builds from Fiendish Codex (from two Amplifying Tomes)
Health reduced to 250 (from 300)
Ability Power reduced to 40 (from 50)
No longer grants Movement Speed
Cooldown Reduction increased to 20% (from 10%)
Cooldown Reduction is no longer UNIQUE
Vision dust duration reduced to 5 seconds (from 10)
Lingering reveal reduced to 3 seconds (from 6)
Cast range decreased to 800 (from 1200)

Sanguine Blade

Context: At 50 AD, this item was too cost efficient for what it offered. We’ve reduced some of the stats and raised the cost in order to bring this item more in line.

Combine cost increased to 600 Gold (from 500)
Total cost increased to 2275 Gold (from 2175)
Attack Damage reduced to 40 (from 50)

Shaco

Jack in the Box

Fixed a bug where Shaco boxes were not properly revealed by the passive on Hextech Sweeper and The Lightbringer

Twisted Treeline and Crystal Scar

The following changes are for Twisted Treeline and Crystal Scar only

General

Turrets now have inventory items that describe turret mechanics

Blackfire Torch

Summary: Blackfire Torch has gained bonus movement speed in exchange for a higher overall cost and a shorter duration on the magic damage amplification active.

Context: Blackfire Torch is gaining the movement speed bonus that Hextech Sweeper had because while not everyone who uses AP should get an easily-accessed movement speed item, we do feel that AP casters should have one in smaller maps like Twisted Treeline and Crystal Scar.

Combine cost increased to 970 Gold (from 720)
Total cost increased to 2650 Gold (from 2400)
Now grants +10% Movement Speed
Magic damage amplification decreased to 4 seconds (from 6)

Twin Shadows

Summary: Twin Shadows’ overall cost has been reduced and the cooldown on the active has been reduced significantly, however the bonus ability power and magic resistance is being lowered.

Context: Twin Shadows is a great item on wardless maps, but the cooldown was too long to really make use of it. It's been made cheaper to increase accessibility, while the stats have been reduced to reflect the new cost.

Combine cost reduced to 535 Gold (from 735)
Total cost reduced to 1700 Gold (from 1900)
Ability Power reduced to 30 (from 40)
Magic Resist reduced to 30 (from 40)
Cooldown on active reduced to 60 seconds (from 120)
Wraiths are now affected by speed shrines

Tutorial, Co-op vs. AI, Custom Games with bots

The following changes are for bot game modes only

Turrets in bot game modes (Tutorial, Co-op vs. AI and custom games with bots) now display an indicator of their attack range and their current attack state. You can disable this feature in the Game menu

 

[dirty_dirk]

Mich wundert es ja, das Riot Champions nerfed für welche sie zeitgleich Skins herausbringen. Das hätte ich von einem wirtschaftlich orientiertem Unternehmen nun wirklich nicht gedacht.

 

[Senior_Cartmene]

esports ist halt wichtiger, als wirtschaftliche Orientierung.

Im Moment pumpen die ja ohne Ende geld in esports damit das ganze an langlebigkeit gewinnt.

dieses und die nächsten vllt. 2-3 Jahre wird das zu Verlusten führen.
Aber wenn League so lange wie Starcraft Broodwar überleben und ähnlichen Status weltweit, wie Broodwar in Korea erreichen kann, dann wird es das absolut wert sein.

Dazu muss das game aber so balanced wie möglich sein.

Was mich an dem Patch wundert ist die Kassadin Änderung. Alles in allem kommt mir das wie ein Buff vor. Leichter lategame nerf, aber riesen early/midgame buff ...

Wieso? Kassa ist schon problematisch genug!

 

[Airbag]

Das sehe ich definitiv anders.
Also Supp muss ich mich nicht damit beschäftigen wann ich den last hit setzte.
Ordentlich zu warden, oracle zu kaufen etc. ist keine Kunst.
Sein Pink zu setzen, nachdem man im Inv. sieht, dass der gegnerische Supp seins eben gerade gesetzt hat, halte ich ebenfalls für keinen Geniestreich.
Es gehört einfach dazu ein wenig mit zu denken.

Naja das sehe ich ebenfalls anders. Als Support muss man zwar nicht unbedingt lasthitten, aber die Minion so zu bearbeiten, dass der Adc möglichst viel farm bekommt. Vor allem ist der Support, aber auch entscheidend im Laning bzgl. Druck, Engagde und Disengadge. Viele hocken einfach im Busch und hoffen darauf ihren Stun zu treffen.

 

[nik_]

also ich finde support ist eine der schwierigsten rollen. es gibt kaum gute supports, weils einfach richtig schwer ist. schaut man sich doch mal an, was die "pros" da zaubern als support, da wird man kaum rankommen. supports können ganze games entscheiden und mehr beeinflussen als andere rollen. also zu sagen, support sei einfach, halte ich für falsch

 

[Pampersrocker97]

Endlich haben sie den blöden Fisch generfed, war ja nicht mehr auszuhalten! :3

Kha'Zix wurde gebufft yeah!

 

[speedyjoe]

easy to learn, hard to master. wobei je nach support ist auch der einfluss auf das spiel unterschiedlich gross. dass die meisten nicht so gut support spielen können, liegt wohl daran, dass niemand support spielen will.

 

[CpU & GrAkA]

So wollte heute meinem kleinen Bruder eine Freude machen und habe ihm ein Mystery Gift geschickt. Nun hat er leider nur Sakura Karma bekommen, die man atm für 260 RP im Store bekommt. Das ist doch eigentlich nicht korrekt oder ? Riot meinte ja man kommt einen Skin für mind. 520 RP. Ich hab jetzt mal den Support angeschrieben....

 

[~H!ld3~]

Wenn ich mich nicht irre, ist der Skin gerade im Sale und kostet normalerweise 520RP.
Von daher...